Tuesday, September 09, 2008

Through the fog

I usually have not discussed politics on my blog, and I don't feel that my opinions will change the outcome of the election. I did feel the need to respond to friends and family who are using their "feelings" based on propaganda (t.v./mainstream media/staged and frivolous debates) to argue with me about politics. They would argue with me and mention how Obama is keen and intelligent on the "issues." When I'd press them to discuss the issues in an informed and objective manner, none of them could. Not that they are incapable, just that they'd rather stick with their feelings and root for their team. In my opinion, loyalty to McCain/Obama is loyalty to a white and black version of the same monster.
I'll write a few more articles later, like the ones posted below, but in the mean time here are some pretty pictures:
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That's my brother in the distance. It's hard to gain perspective sometimes in the mountains, some things that look small or close are actually large and far away.
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Seeing through the fog. How many of us can do that?
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Here is a common perspective. Fear of falling off a cliff. This was created with a zoom lens. We have to be careful of the lens we see things through.

I like how people argue with me, "Aren't you afraid that McCain will win?" I tell them "NO!" First of all I don't think he has a chance, secondly if he did win, it's the white version of Obama! I'm still going to see my responsibilities as a citizen of this world and as a Sikh to be a good person and create meaningful change within myself and my actions so that my personal global impact is positive.

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Harpreet said...

The world is run by lunatic postmodernistic lefties that naturally refuse to face obvious facts & realities

Soon they will don the gear of Neo-Commissariats that will enforce hyper Political Correctness & Environmentalism on the pain of death

Historical Re-run

Except this time the Commissars will not be bringing Kulaks to the heel for owning a few acres of land & a mule

The Neo-Commissars will be forcing us to but Carbon Credits as the polar ice caps on Mars melt, Saturn's moon Titan ice cover melts into seas, the Sun radiation cycle intensifies.

So lets just forget all about the Bronze Age Warming which kickstarted civilization in the first place

Harpreet said...

And I am shocked at you Prabhu when you talk about 5 litres of water a day not flushing the toilet - but i hate to say - like a typical leftie you will not address this population issue

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090101714.html

How Many Americans?

When the Census Bureau released its new population projections last month, most of the media focused on the country's changing racial composition. But this was almost certainly not the most important finding. The projections show that the U.S. population will grow by 135 million in just 42 years -- a 44 percent increase. Such growth would have profound implications for our environment and quality of life. Most of the increase would be a direct result of one federal policy -- immigration. If we reduced the level of immigration, the projections would be much lower. The question we have to ask ourselves is: Do we want to be a much more densely settled country?

Native-born Americans have only about two children on average, which makes for a roughly stable population over time. But with an estimated 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants settling in the country each year, and about 900,000 births to these immigrants each year, immigration directly and indirectly accounts for at least three-fourths of U.S. population growth.

An increase of 135 million people by 2050 is equivalent to the entire populations of Mexico and Canada moving here. Assuming the same ratio of population to infrastructure that exists today, the United States would need to build and pay for 36,000 schools. We would need to develop enough land to accommodate 52 million new housing units, along with places for the people who lived in them to shop and work. We would also have to construct enough roads to handle 106 million more vehicles.


Of course, our country can "fit" more people. But such a dramatic increase would affect many issues about which Americans are concerned, including the environment, traffic, congestion, sprawl and the loss of open spaces. Technology and planning could help manage this situation, but there is no way they could offset all of the impact of 135 million more people. This massive increase also would have implications for the size and scope of government; more densely settled societies almost always are more heavily regulated societies.

Another important finding in the census projections is that, even with record levels of immigration for the next four decades, the U.S. population will still grow significantly older. Immigration makes our society only slightly younger than it would otherwise be. (Consider that, on average, the overall fertility rate in the United States is about 2.1 children per woman. If immigrants are excluded from the data, it's still about 2.0 children per woman. This compares with 1.4 children in Western Europe. Immigration makes for a much more densely settled country; it does not make for a much younger country.) As the Census Bureau stated in its 2000 projections, immigration is a "highly inefficient" means for addressing the problem of an aging society in the long run. The new projections show the same thing.

Some people think that immigration creates large economic benefits. But the economic research is pretty clear: While immigration does significantly increase economic activity in the receiving society, almost all of that increased activity go to the immigrants themselves in the form of wages and benefits. The gain to natives is tiny. When the National Research Council, which is part of the National Academy of Sciences, examined this question, it concluded that the benefits for native-born Americans were equal to only about one- or two-tenths of 1 percent of their income. The two economists who did the work for the council described the effect as "minuscule."

Moreover, this tiny economic benefit was entirely erased by the fiscal drain immigrant households imposed on taxpayers. Perhaps worst of all, the researchers found that to generate this small gain, immigration reduced the wages of the least educated and poorest American workers.

There is no question that immigrants benefit by coming here. But it is difficult to argue that immigration is a well-targeted way to lift up the world's poor. Many immigrants to the United States were not poor in their home countries. More important, although immigration causes an enormous increase in the overall U.S. population, it still represents an infinitesimal fraction of the world's low-income population. We can do more to help poor people in developing countries through trade policies and development assistance.

The United States may well decide to continue to allow the settlement of 1.5 million immigrants (legal and illegal) each year. But legal immigration is a federal program like any other and could be reduced below the 1 million currently allowed to enter annually. Greater resources could also be devoted to reducing illegal immigration. It's important to understand that the new projections show us one possible future. We must decide as a country if this is the future we want.

Harpreet said...

Its like this, if you flush your toliet once a day or 100 times a day it makes no difference to someone third world


As i said earlier

All that is needed in Sub-saharan Africa is legions of foriegn engineers to go over there & build

1.) Water supply distribution systems to exploit the abundant naturally recharging aquifers, exploit the great lakes, exploit naturally occuring rainfall

2.) build sanitation & waste treatment plants

3.) build powergrids (the hyrdoelectric potential on the congo river could power the whole of the african continent

4.) you get the picture

To top all this of - station a million foreign peace keepers to prevent political instability

& in return whatever foreign power provides this service - they should get privileged trading status, & privileged trading status & access to natural wealth

I guarantee with Sub Saharan Africa population density being 1/6 of Europe

The average African would see dramatic rises in their standard of living

Harpreet said...

the question I would like you to answer Prabhu is this

With all your noble ideas on enviroment & natural farming & conservation

What would you suggest is the best course of action for South Asia?

bearing in mind

a) South Asia population density rivals Japan's already (i.e on of the most densley populated areas on earth)

b) Average fertility in South Asia is 3 children per women (meaning the next generation will be 50% bigger than the present)

c) hence this is possbly the malthusian armageddon (unless another green revolution occurs i.e. using genetically modified crops & biotech to engineer solutions to enviromental problems)

My point is if Westerners life-style has no impact on South Asia

Harpreet said...

If you want westerners to cut back consumption the only way to do it humanely & without going into neo-serfdom is

A) Get rid of walmart & bring back US manufacturing

B) Start to build very high quality products designed to last a lifetime i.e clothes, furniture, cars designed to last a lifetime

c) create a culture that exalts those who go through life monk-like with one set of possessions

d) this new western culture would spread world wide...but again may be to late for South Asia as they have clearly missed the demographic window and will bring their birth rates below 2.11 far too late in the future & consequently will run out of physical room & resources unless they embrace ungodly biotech

Singh9 said...

Prabhu Singh Ji,

I'm not sure how you feel but I think it is unfair and considered "spamming" for a person to post seven consecutive comments on your blog post. I would encourage you to delete some of Harpreet's posts and reply to the pertinent questions.

Anyway - I want to ask you - how do you think that McCain and Obama are the same? Why do you say that McCain is the white version of Obama? \

Thanks.

Harpreet said...

Singh9

thats a good idea..please delete some of the post & reply to the pertinent question

and to your really deep question Singh9 the answer is

a) With McCain it will still be democracy, there will still be gridlock, debates & protests

b) With Obama you will have an all powerful fuhrer like figure...who to even question will be the greatest sacrilege one can commit

I ask you Singh9 to see if your brave enough to answer the questions no one is or you to would like to dance around like a fairy singing about non-issues

1.)What do you think about present & rapidly growing population density of South Asia

2.) What will be the enviromental costs of US population being pushed upto 500 million or even a billion by immigration

3.) How can you defend Postmodernism without writing in crazy impenetratable prose.

4.) If you as a Westerner restrict yourself to not flushing the toilet - how does that help someone in Tanzania? - does that magic act suddenly cause Water supply networks to start spontaneously manifesting all over Tanzania?


PS

Postmodernism should be called anti-modernism or Neo-barbarism, it is explicitly against Science, Rationality, Industrialisation - the very things that propelled mankind outside of the medieval age, life expectancies of 36, starvation, 90% illiteracy of the masses etc.

It is even against God, in fact thats the starting point get rid of god & lets talk about relativism & power play of your language, & let me tell you what this Historical Author really meant

Prabhu Singh said...

Harpreet Singh Ji, with all due respect the first two articles you posted had no substance relating to issues facing Americans or the world. It simply attacked Obama's personal character and raked up the old race issue.
America's population increase will be a disaster if all those people consume at the level that we do now.
The "Green" revolution was a destructive force which is quickly turning Punjab into a vast wasteland. Genetically modified food is like diseased food. I believe in "Akal Moorat" the image of the Undying, that God created us and this creation in the image of the undying. When we act from ego and change our form and the form of food that God created, we have really separated ourselves from what was graciously given to us.
I feel like you're taking sides, and aligning with the "Hawks" who use fear, intimidation, and race as the basis for everything. If you really want "facts" align yourself only with your Guru and then look at issues.
I am attacking Obama, but believe me McCain is worse. McCain is a continuation of Bush. Under the Bush administration many of our constitutional rights disappeared. He created the largest governmental organization in the history of mankind, the department of homeland security. He started spying on citizens. He started an illegal war. He has no regard for human rights, or any environmental issue.
Since 1990 America has consumed more water than it produced. This means using reserves and taking in water (via various methods) from other countries. So each flush of the toilet has a HUGE impact. Furthermore 90% of rural America's water is polluted due to failed septic systems. My brother has a failed septic system and decided to build a composting toilet instead of rebuilding it and continuing to pollute his well water. That's an environmental change that others fear making, but drastically impacts the environment in a positive way.

"unless another green revolution occurs i.e. using genetically modified crops & biotech to engineer solutions to environmental problems"
Honestly Harpreet Ji, can you believe this is a solution to anything. I suggest you read "The violence of the Green Revolution." The "Green" revolution has hurt Sikhs on an astronomical scale!
You are listening to, reading, and aligning yourself with the mouthpieces of those enslaving the masses. Obama is one of their pawns and McCain is one of their leaders.
Living a monk-like existence is pretty much already the only way to feel free in a society that forces you to be dependent on poisons. Be it the poisons of air pollution, water pollution, genetically modified and nutritiously bankrupt food. Or the poisons of the mind such as escapism into fashion, consumption, violent and sexy fiction. The people you're aligning yourself with are the creators and promoters of poison. I'm not aligned with environmental lefties. I'm aligned with my own thought process. I'm aligned with the reality of a degraded earth and a degraded global community built upon inequalities and depravity.
The "conservative right" which doesn't really exist any more, considering neither Bush nor McCain are true conservatives (i.e. they support bigger governments more spending and less freedoms) are an elite ruling class using the masses as pawns. The most powerful people in this country, white Christian Men, use their religion and politics to make other White Christian Men feel as though they are constantly under threat and that they are becoming a sidelined minority and the only way to save themselves, their race, and their religion is to attack. They are acting out of fear, ignorance, and just plain stupidity. They have no concept of how to treat other people, they have no concept of how to share, they have no concept of sustainability. It's just what they want, they want it now, and all liberal-lefty-environmentalists can go to hell when they are facing the barrel of their gun.
Just free your mind, think about what it would take to make you free. What it would take to make you a being of divine light. So that all people who even see you, see Akal Moorat. Your very image reminds others of God, your very presence inspires Naam Japna, wand chakna, Dharam Di Kirat Karni."
I'm not trying to be self-righteous, I'm just making a suggestion. I no longer align myself with left or right, I simply work towards a happier and healthier lifestyle and a way to share what I've learned and what I have. What I've found is that I don't like to be a slave. Buying into rhetoric of any kind be it leftist or authoritarian aggressiveness just hurts me and the rest of society who is suffering.

ਨਾਨਕ ਦੁਖੀਆ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥
O Nanak, the whole world is suffering.

ਮੰਨੇ ਨਾਉ ਸੋਈ ਜਿਣਿ ਜਾਇ ॥
He alone is victorious, who believes in the Lord's Name.

ਅਉਰੀ ਕਰਮ ਨ ਲੇਖੈ ਲਾਇ ॥੧॥
No other action is of any account. ||1||

Prabhu Singh said...

P.S. I would rather continue this conversation via email, because the comments pile up pretty fast. You can comment, which I'll receive in my email, but I may delete it and reply via email.
In response to Singh9, read my other articles to see why I believe the differences between McCain and Obama are LITERALLY skin deep.
It seems that I may be writing at least one article to rip McCain, who is a force of destruction and higher in the food chain than Obama.

Hari Singh said...

Harpreet, you seriously need to broaden your source of news. You're reading (and spreading) ultra-conservative right-wing crackpot conspiracy theory. I couldn't read all of your comments because I don't have time, but I did read the first. It is an entire opinion piece stating that Obama has positions on issues merely to save face while he presses forward with some kind of hyper Post-Modern doomsday freedom-Killing agenda.
Well guess how they came up with that kind of notion, because this is exactly what Bush and Co have been doing the past 8 years and exactly what McCain would do. The article hurls personal attacks at Obama calling him arrogant and "sounding like a sorcerer" and then defames him through his association with some one else. What a HUGE waste of time and distraction. It's politicking and propaganda at it's best. They get you so confused and riled up about the other person that you're in a malleable state to accept what they say as fact.

So do you actually think that Obama merely has policy to appease those that will vote for him? I do, but I think McCain does as well. The difference is I'm not just saying it, I believe that they can't be trusted an account of they're voting records and statements (none of which can be found to substantiate this claim in the authors piece).

Bottom line: Democracy as you believe it to exist today is non-existent. The propaganda you read is equivalent to the propaganda the people you like to call "lefties" read. Both of this propaganda comes from the same source. But why would they cater to both sides? You might ask. Because it's two sides of the same coin. While the propaganda gets the "righties" and the "lefties" so riled up they argue against each other, they keep you distracted. While you're distracted all of the negative trends which can be found in this country (by actually looking at the numbers) continue. But, guess what, business continues to profit. Why? Because the anti-trust laws aren't properly enforced. Corporate person-hood takes away any human interaction which could actually add ethics and morals into business. Businesses just grow and grow and grow to obscene sizes, which spans continents and exploit loopholes to maximize profit, with no mind to the human impact.

If you think that your consumption here does not affect the third world, you really need a lesson in modern business practices. And here it is: "Maximize profit no matter the human consequences."
Guess what the effect of this modern business credo is? That's right globalization. Meaning Cotton is picked in the US exploiting cheap Mexican labor (legal and illegal) sold for less than the amount of money it cost to produce (due to subsides) shipped to Bangladesh or China or Sub-Saharan Africa. To be processed and manufactured into bluejeans which are then sent back to the US for consumption. While in they're foreign processing plant, they take advantage of all of the loopholes, corruption and exploitation that they can in the third world, including child labor, zero-environmental policy or enforcement, pillaging of natural resources and forced overtime (i.e. slavery). How many gallons of water do you think it takes to produce a pair of jeans? Do you think they just use water and not toxic petro-chemicals to produce the jeans. What do you think is the easiest, cheapest and most profitable for the business to do to dispose of these chemicals and waste water when they've been used? I'll let you answer these questions yourself, because I think you're smart enough to look it up and figure it out, but here's a hint on the last one (the method of disposal involves polluting many sources of local drinking water, exacerbating almost ubiquitous water shortages in this world).

You're great fairy tale that we can all move north when the ice melts and that Africa simply needs to better exploit it's resources, is entirely based in propaganda, way-out of the realms of reality or possibility and absolutely NO DIFFERENT than Obama's fairy tale. Stop reading propaganda and spreading it, stop wasting your god-given precious time and ours, read real news sources, with actual facts and absolutely no opinion. Here's some help, if the article completely bashes one candidate (Obama or McCain) and it says nothing about the other, you're reading propaganda. If the article indulges in any kind of speculation, be skeptical and evaluate it, you may be reading propaganda. If the article merely talks about the presidential elections and gives token mention to the issues (only to support it's arguments) you're reading propaganda and you are being misinformed.

If you really want a leg to stand on when you make claims about us not needing to reduce our consumption levels, then you really really need to have a deep understanding of a subject not just some bits of propaganda.

-Hari

Anonymous said...

Dear Hari Singh Khalsa Ji, I now feel Prabhu has graciously answered all my questions. It was important to me because I hold Prabhu up as the Ideal Sikh in my mind. And I was just shocked that his opinions outside the realm of Sikhism differ so greatly with mine. But I am grateful for the time Prabhu has given me & will ask no more of him. I still consider Prabhu the Ideal Sikh, but ultimately cannot go along with him in the Temporal Realm.
But I am going to respond to you Hari Singh Khalsa Ji

#####Harpreet, you seriously need to broaden your source of news. You're reading (and spreading) ultra-conservative right-wing crackpot conspiracy theory. I couldn't read all of your comments because I don't have time, but I did read the first. It is an entire opinion piece stating that Obama has positions on issues merely to save face while he presses forward with some kind of hyper Post-Modern doomsday freedom-Killing agenda. #####

Look the point is earlier I highlighted the population issue (which prabhu has clearly addressed now) to which Prabhu referred me to a french post modernist "scholars" article that is literally impossible to read. Obama is a postmodernist as well. Facts, Figures or real History do matter to him as the very words he speaks transcends all reality....kinda like a Sorcerer

#####Well guess how they came up with that kind of notion, because this is exactly what Bush and Co have been doing the past 8 years and exactly what McCain would do. The article hurls personal attacks at Obama calling him arrogant and "sounding like a sorcerer" and then defames him through his association with some one else. What a HUGE waste of time and distraction. It's politicking and propaganda at it's best. They get you so confused and riled up about the other person that you're in a malleable state to accept what they say as fact.#####

I never said I supported McCain. I supported Ron Paul when he was still in the running for Republican Nomination.

I prefer McCain because he is Bush V2. With McCain there will be debates, protests, avalanches of criticism at every move he makes

With Obama you will have an true Fuhrer like figure. What he utters will be the very fabric of reality. No one will be able to even mildly disagree with him. Mark my words Hari Singh Khalsa Ji the list will go something like this "Caligula, Ivan the Terrible, Aurangzeb, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and finally Obama"

With McCain life will continue, With Obama the USA will become the Fourth Reich a hybrid system of every tyranny ever conceived.

What Bush has built can only thrive under Obama, under McCain it will barely endure.

##### So do you actually think that Obama merely has policy to appease those that will vote for him? I do, but I think McCain does as well. The difference is I'm not just saying it, I believe that they can't be trusted an account of they're voting records and statements (none of which can be found to substantiate this claim in the authors piece). ######

Obama exhibits a radically advanced form of demagoguery that has not even been defined. McCain is just a tired old fool - the far lesser evil.

#####Bottom line: Democracy as you believe it to exist today is non-existent. The propaganda you read is equivalent to the propaganda the people you like to call "lefties" read. Both of this propaganda comes from the same source. But why would they cater to both sides? You might ask. Because it's two sides of the same coin. While the propaganda gets the "righties" and the "lefties" so riled up they argue against each other, they keep you distracted. While you're distracted all of the negative trends which can be found in this country (by actually looking at the numbers) continue. ####

Your right democracy is Non-existent, the only hope the World had was Ron Paul. The problem is that the new global Fourth Reich system is an extreme leftist system - not a rightist system. The right is harmless hinting at certain truths that the left has made taboo.

#####But, guess what, business continues to profit. Why? Because the anti-trust laws aren't properly enforced. Corporate person-hood takes away any human interaction which could actually add ethics and morals into business. Businesses just grow and grow and grow to obscene sizes, which spans continents and exploit loopholes to maximize profit, with no mind to the human impact.#####

I agree lets bring down the Multi-nationals

#####If you think that your consumption here does not affect the third world, you really need a lesson in modern business practices. And here it is: "Maximize profit no matter the human consequences."#####


I hate to burst your bubble Hari Singh Khalsa Ji...............but this "economic lesson" is common knowledge even among 5 yr olds.........as this is all that is ever taught is schools, society, in the media etc

#####"Guess what the effect of this modern business credo is? That's right globalization. Meaning Cotton is picked in the US exploiting cheap Mexican labor (legal and illegal) sold for less than the amount of money it cost to produce (due to subsides) shipped to Bangladesh or China or Sub-Saharan Africa. To be processed and manufactured into bluejeans which are then sent back to the US for consumption. While in they're foreign processing plant, they take advantage of all of the loopholes, corruption and exploitation that they can in the third world, including child labor, zero-environmental policy or enforcement, pillaging of natural resources and forced overtime (i.e. slavery). How many gallons of water do you think it takes to produce a pair of jeans? Do you think they just use water and not toxic petro-chemicals to produce the jeans. What do you think is the easiest, cheapest and most profitable for the business to do to dispose of these chemicals and waste water when they've been used? I'll let you answer these questions yourself, because I think you're smart enough to look it up and figure it out, but here's a hint on the last one (the method of disposal involves polluting many sources of local drinking water, exacerbating almost ubiquitous water shortages in this world).#####



Firstly hardly nothing is shipped to Sub-Saharan Africa outside South Africa. Secondly if the US southern border is secured the free markets would dictate that agricultural sector with goverment assistance begins employing Americans at decent wages & benefits. Thirdly if outsourcing is stopped free markets would dictate that value added production again employ Americans with decent wages & benefits to attract them into the sector. Finally if US gives up playing free trade internationally and practices heavy tariffs on imports from nations like China the above solution is very feasible esp if everyone else plays by tarriffs... in short dismantle WTO.

If some nations do not have the testicular fortitude to apply tarriffs against US imports or are easily seduced - then they deserve to have cheap subsidised Jeans dumped on them

Beyond Blue Jeans Its simple

First World Technology + First World Labour = 1950's level of prosperity in US & Europe

First World Technology + Third World Labour = Globalization, deteriorating living standards for Americans & Europeans, while per capita income certainly rises in the Third World, they complain about their environment (which third worlders are destroying with or without Western Companies via their birth rate)

#####You're great fairy tale that we can all move north when the ice melts and that Africa simply needs to better exploit it's resources, is entirely based in propaganda, way-out of the realms of reality or possibility and absolutely NO DIFFERENT than Obama's fairy tale. Stop reading propaganda and spreading it, stop wasting your god-given precious time and ours, read real news sources, with actual facts and absolutely no opinion. #####

Firstly China already establishing the kinda of relationship with Africa that I have suggested, causing economic growth rates of 9% Nigeria, 10% in Sudan, 20% in Angola

Secondly I am highlighting a positive side of global warming with the Northern Idea, but before you jump on this explain to me why

1.) Mars Polar Ice Caps are Rapidly Melting

2.) Why Saturns Moon Titan now has Seas when it was completely frozen ice moon no long ago

3.) Why Jupiter has gained a new great storm, a new red spot (due to rise in planetary temp.)

4.) Why even Nasa is reporting Sun thermal nuclear reaction is intensifing as a normal part of it life cycle and this is causing Warming through out the Solar System

#####Here's some help, if the article completely bashes one candidate (Obama or McCain) and it says nothing about the other, you're reading propaganda. If the article indulges in any kind of speculation, be skeptical and evaluate it, you may be reading propaganda. If the article merely talks about the presidential elections and gives token mention to the issues (only to support it's arguments) you're reading propaganda and you are being misinformed. #####

I recognize that, but no matter how flawed the right's material is, it shouts out with truths & facts that the left will brutally suppress.

If you really want a heart attack, I dare you to watch Jared Taylor's debates on youtube & google video.

I dare you to read his writings on www.vdare.com & www.amren.com

I guarantee you will not be able to refute any point he makes & you will be forced to retreat into leftist postmodern babble.

####If you really want a leg to stand on when you make claims about us not needing to reduce our consumption levels, then you really really need to have a deep understanding of a subject not just some bits of propaganda.####

If you read all my comments you will of seen my suggestion for reduction in consumption without going in Neo-Serfdom & running around buying carbon credits.

It involves building very high quality products in the respective Nation State designed to last & not be replaced (while creating a culture that exalts this i.e. Goods made by Americans, for Americans, designed to last a life time)

LOOK I AM A SIKH, I BELIEVE IN TRUTH, THE POINTS HIGHLIGHTED ABOVE ARE AGAINST THE INTEREST OF MY GROUP I.E. IMMIGRANT PUNJAB SIKHS - BUT I CANNOT TURN AWAY FROM THE TRUTH NO MATTER HOW UNCOMFORTABLE

HARPREET

Anonymous said...

typo

Obama is a postmodernist as well. Facts, Figures or real History do NOT matter to him as the very words he speaks transcends all reality....kinda like a Sorcerer

Free markets as mentioned above includes enlightened self interest justifying some goverment assistance rather than regulating intervention

secondly international free trade should also be conducted so far as enlightened self interest of the nation dictates

Hari Singh said...

Harpreet I appreciate your response, but it is simply more of the same. You say that you recognize propaganda but then you call your sources "truth". Here's an article that accurately describes how "truthful" one of your sources, Jared Taylor aka Samuel Taylor is. http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0123-02.htm

Jared Taylor says that the accusations of him being a racist are meant to shut him up and avoid actual intelligent conversation. Well if Obama is a "postmodernist" as you say, then he can just as easily claim that it's untruthful racists who apply such labels to him to avoid actual intelligent conversation.

Both of these scenarios would have one party (the labeled), accusing the other party (the labeler) of being of a certain character which doesn't allow them to engage in intellectual discussion. This is basically the definition of deflection. In either case, the discussion never happens, and the deflector (often deflecting in the company of their supporters) appears the victor. I.E. it's about winning and losing, it's about politics and propaganda.

Now if you want to discuss the real issues, without resorting to propaganda and political point scoring then we can. I agree with most your comments. I found Ron Paul to be a bastian of truthful statements amongst all of the propaganda of the republican field. Perhaps that's why he teamed up with another truthful and thoughtful presidential candidate yesterday. I'm talking about Ralph Nader. Ron Paul and Ralph Nader joined forces yesterday to advocate for opening of the presidential debates to third parties.

It's obvious from the real hard facts that immigration needs to be significantly slowed in this country, if we want to have any chance of maintaining our current quality of life. It's just as equally important that we find ways to maintain this quality of life while reducing our consumption levels to something sustainable. These two things can't be separated, although, you most also acknowledge that the birth rate in this country is below the sustainable level, and that some level of immigration would be necessary if we cared to maintain our population levels (Personally, I'm not certain whether this is something we should want).

We find common ground on almost everything. Including the fact that we should rebuild the manufacturing capabilities of this country and disallow outsourcing. I have to tell you, though that this is not what most people consider "free market capitalism". This is a form of "regulation". Regulation requires enforcement of laws, law enforcement is done by "government". Greater regulations, mean more enforcement necessary which means more enforcers (more government). Regulation and an increase in government size are typically anathema to those who would hurl the label of "lefty" upon others. How do you reconcile this? Also, if you're for regulating criminal profit making, why not also environmental regulations to keep our air and water clean. There is so much propaganda out there to obscure what legitimate science knows, i.e. human activity is directly responsible for part of the global warming trend. The propaganda usually likes to talk about the sun's cycles and other heating of other planetary bodies to deflect the fact that it's also happening here. Who cares if it's happening elsewhere and why, when we already know we're part of the problem here. But we shouldn't even discuss climate change which is hard for one human body to comprehend, when we can agree that water and earth can easily be tested for pollution and the numbers have increased.

"The average person can now expect to find at least 250 of these [synthetic organic chemical pollutants] chemical contaminants in his or her body fat."

Let's deal with this horrible reality before wasting our time bickering about propaganda pieces.

If you think that by empowering McCain with your vote, you are voting for the lesser of two evils, then you are not following what I believe to be the duty of a Sikh and the is to vote according to our ideals. I can't tell you how many times I've said this to my Sikh friends, who believe Obama to be the lesser of two evils. There are other options on the ballot and I urge you to take them, especially if you already openly acknowledge flaws in the two corporate candidates. I myself am voting for Ralph Nader and I can feel very good about this at the end of the day.

Please stop wasting your valuable time reading propaganda and get on board with active participation in activities and lifestyle changes which will benefit your world far greater than the fact that you're well versed in the contents of Op-eds and "news".

Anonymous said...

I will make this the last post to you as well Hari Singh Khalsa Ji, since I wish to take up no more of your time (since you have also generously indulged me like your brother Prabhu)

I will take your advice to leave some of this behind and cut back on reading opinion pieces & focus positivity

And it is awesome news about Nader & Ron Paul

BTW Lol I'm from UK!!!!!

PS

Internationally we should all play by a mixture of Mercantilism & some free trade

Nationally we should all play in a competitive free market arena

& if some critical economic activity become unviable under this new regime i.e. picking cotton. Then some goverment assistance in form subsidies is required.


What I mean is replace the "Invisible Hand" by "enlightened self interest"

Blind devotion to free market capitalism is deceptive

The real reason for it was to develop a state of global inter-dependence to prevent WW3

But now WW3 is inevitable in order to scrap the current system completely so the debt ridden West can be bailed out, while any nation that has trade surplus/foriegn Reserves/budget surplus can be brought to heel i.e. start again post WW3 in the cliched "NWO One World Goverment"

As for Jared Taylor, there is evidence that when poverty & deprivation is strictly controlled for....different racial groups still exhibit different average IQ levels

For instance malnourished koreans still on average have IQ's above 100

While Indians living in India have average IQ's in the 80's

Secondly some racial groups are 20 times more susceptible to psychopathic behaviour than others.

This explains criminality and to a large extent the wealth of nations

This is something that is Taboo to discuss. This is the truth hinted at in hard right material that is brutally suppressed by the left.

Yes the right is flawed & obviously has an agenda....but many facts it touches may explain why the world is the way it is.

(Hint: Its probably not Whitey fault or his evil racism!)


But I would encourage you to actually read something written by Jared Taylor or even watch his debates on Youtube

I have just read his book "Shadows of the Rising Sun" & it is exceptional....there is not one sentence in it you have to strain to read or is off the mark or is irrelevant in anyway.......in my opinion the book is masterpiece

If you ever have time, take a look at these articles by Mr Taylor

http://www.vdare.com/taylor/index.htm

Or these choice articles by him under a different pen name Steven Howell

http://www.amren.com/ar/1991/09/index.html

http://www.amren.com/ar/1991/10/index.html