Wednesday, August 16, 2006

Indian Enslavement Day

http://www.panthic.org/news/116/ARTICLE/2695/2006-08-16.html
http://www.panthic.org/news/129/ARTICLE/2692/2006-08-16.html

India's independence day:
Another celebration of depravity.

9 comments:

Harkiran Kaur said...

I remembered when I came to US I saw alot of animosity in the youth against India. Can hate be ever productive? Its amazing that most of the camps and retreats I have been too, they tell you the history, but teaching history is incomplete if with that constructive solution to help people who suffered is not offered. Would hating a culture, language, people can make me better than them or I do it only to feel superior?
Yes, the Judicial system in India is messedup, the politicians are corrupt and are butchers too, but does that give me a right to hate India as an entity?
I am not sure about that...

Prabhu Singh said...

I like India and Indians.
I just don't like the government of India and any celebration associated with their coming to power.
Indian independence day celebrates the creation of two nations which have hurt many people.
I'd celebrate with others if there was an Indian culture day or something like that. Though there are so many cultures in India I don't think they could have just one day. I definitely don't hate India, but I don't trust the government for anything.

upinder kaur said...

Harkiran
Guru Nanak (SGGS-1288)says the final word.When he says that for kings .... its true every where, not in a perticular country.

ਰਾਜੇ ਸੀਹ ਮੁਕਦਮ ਕੁਤੇ ॥
The kings are tigers, and their officials are dogs;
ਜਾਇ ਜਗਾਇਨ੍‍ ਿਬੈਠੇ ਸੁਤੇ ॥
they go out and awaken the sleeping people to harass them.
ਚਾਕਰ ਨਹਦਾ ਪਾਇਨ੍‍ ਿਘਾਉ ॥
The public servants inflict wounds with their nails.
ਰਤੁ ਪਿਤੁ ਕੁਤਿਹੋ ਚਟਿ ਜਾਹੁ ॥
The dogs lick up the blood that is spilled.
ਜਿਥੈ ਜੀਆਂ ਹੋਸੀ ਸਾਰ ॥
But there, in the Court of the Lord, all beings will be judged.
ਨਕˆØੀ ਵਢˆØੀ ਲਾਇਤਬਾਰ ॥੨॥
Those who have violated the people's trust will be disgraced; their noses will be cut off. ||2||

Harkiran Kaur said...

Dhan Guru Nanak!

Angad Singh said...

i totally agree with prabhu singh ji..i like indians and india ( just as any other country..not as home..not any more)..but i surely dont like and trust anything about their system..

and to some extent i am not too pleased with manmohan singh..the indian prime minister..no doubt he is showing the sikhs in a good light

..may I ask wht is he actually doing for the community..its been close to 2 yrs since he has been in power and till today sikhism is a sect of hinduism in the indian constitution..

when people wished me happy independece day my responce was " what independence are you talking about?"

have a good weekend

akaal sahee

Prabhu Singh said...

I should write that I like Harkiran Kaur's point. I've also seen a lot of animosity towards India and Indians, which is totally uncalled for. The 'Hindu phobia' that plagues our community (on subtle to overt levels) is not constructive either. In order to keep distinct some people feel the need to put down Hindu practices. Other people feel the need to interpret Gurbani differently and use scholarly methods to try and deny Bani of Guru Gobind Singh. This side of things is very destructive and divisive.
Animosity towards India and Khalistan are destractions. Guru Gobind Singh gave us the earth as our kingdom and stated "Raj Karega Khalsa." He didn't say the Khalsa shall rule Khalistan as defined by such and such boundaries. I have no problem with India being the homeland of Sikhs, if they are treated fairly. Even Jarnail Singh Bindranwale Ji did not demand a Khalistan. As a man of God he wanted all citizens of India to have the rights they deserve. I would celebrate Indian independence day if there was a day where they passed legislation to undo the injustices committed against minorities.
Sikhs shouldn't hate any thing. And solutions or discussions should be presented when talking about Indian atrocities. There are so many youth focused on '84' and on 'Khalistan.' Their whole Sikh experience is based on this. I wish for my only focus to be my Guru and God. A nation of soldiers can be defeated. A nation of saint-soldiers, is known as Khalsa, which belong to God.
When the Sahibzade were martyred Guru Gobind Singh did not begin staking out physical boundaries for the Sikhs to rule. He did not stop serving humanity and spend his time trying to separate Sikhs from the rest of society and isolate them in their own country. He spent his time strengthening the sovereign Khalsa spiritual nation. Khalsa cannot belong to Khalistan, Khalsa belongs to WaheGuru. Guru Gobind Singh did not spend his time on an offensive against oppresive rulers. He strengthened his people (mentally, physically, and spiritually). This is the example we should admire. When the Khalsa stands united, Khalistan will be a moot point, the world will bow "Raj Karega Khalsa."

Harkiran Kaur said...

"When the Sahibzade were martyred Guru Gobind Singh did not begin staking out physical boundaries for the Sikhs to rule. He did not stop serving humanity and spend his time trying to separate Sikhs from the rest of society and isolate them in their own country. He spent his time strengthening the sovereign Khalsa spiritual nation. Khalsa cannot belong to Khalistan, Khalsa belongs to WaheGuru. Guru Gobind Singh did not spend his time on an offensive against oppresive rulers. He strengthened his people (mentally, physically, and spiritually). This is the example we should admire. When the Khalsa stands united, Khalistan will be a moot point, the world will bow "Raj Karega Khalsa."
"

Wonderful!!

upinder kaur said...

wonderful prabhu! I am proud of you!
This is the spirit we should have
Guru Nanak has taught us to Love God and his creation.That includes all humans and all countries....
So why hate anybody or any country
We should fight injustice but not hate the Land for it.
As far as i am concerned I was born and brought up in this country and will probably die here.
I love this place simply 'cos my beloved Guru Nanak walked on this soil once.
I agree with you Prabhu when you say"Khalsa is spiritual nation. Khalsa cannot belong to Khalistan, Khalsa belongs to WaheGuru"
Thats why we say...
Whaheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Angad Singh said...

Prabhu Singh ji..

Bhindranwale stopped just short of asking for Khalsitan..he said we have to seperate we cant live in a country where we are being treated like this.

akaal sahee